Re: Religion

by Guest Sat May 17, 2008 8:23 pm

~Bunuel~ wrote:
Lightning wrote:In my opinion, religion is just a thought of humans to explain the inexplainable.

by Spraynwipe Sat May 17, 2008 11:45 pm

..Should not be discussed here because many people such as myself have already been offended by this.

Anyways we'll have to see who was right in the end.. quite frankly Im surprised so many people here dont believe in a religion, but hey, we'll see.

by lone Sun May 18, 2008 12:26 am

lol offended? nothin but proofed stuff m8

but really i'm supprised by how many ppl really are religious:S
thought europe was like 95% atheist

by Spraynwipe Sun May 18, 2008 1:23 am

In the end its faith; religion is faith. That's why they say God works in mysterious ways - to test your faith. I prefer to believe whatever I want and no one can change that.

Btw are you fucking serious xD? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Europe#Religiosity
It must be true (from the responses in this topic) that a majority of DL members (living in UK, France, Germany, Netherlands etc.) follow the non-belief part. All the countries believe in some form of god or greater being. (although there are no majority of atheists in any country).

Think about it, the pope lives in Europe, so it must have a huge christian population (at least around Italy and surrounding countries).

In medieval times, religion was a very strong thing in Europe, and England followed the pope's catholicism closely. King Henry VIII made the Church of England because he didn't like the idea of not being able to get divorced. Quite frankly I think this was a decent decision because if you don't love someone any more, then why should you be with them (although pre-marital vows "bind" two lovers together through god, for all life time, we are only human and humans make mistakes very easily).

From that you still think 95% of Europe don't have religion >.> Use some common sense and think about historical evidence. xD

by **Saint** Sun May 18, 2008 2:49 am

GrieVer wrote:Lol, naa man. I aint in Devon, nor was I born anywhere near that place.

lol i always thought ur somewhere close to devon or cornwall.. devvo the griev Razz

and Josh mate we shouldnt get offended by religious discussions because there are millions like these

by **WaterBottle** Sun May 18, 2008 3:53 am

Cant bother read all. However anyone with common sense takes theyr sick daughter to the hospital instead of praying to god....

by ***Hule*** Sun May 18, 2008 5:02 am

I can't be arsed getting offended by things mentioned on this forum. These things are everyone's personal issues, we have to accept that.
People are allowed to believe in a religion but they have an equal right not to believe.

Personally I see no need to open up of my own beliefs.

by **Storm** Sun May 18, 2008 5:12 am

I'm christian but I swear alot

by Spraynwipe Sun May 18, 2008 7:23 am

Storm wrote:I'm christian but I swear alot

Same xD

by lone Sun May 18, 2008 7:39 am

dude your wiki statistics are to general.
I'm on a catholic school and i guess like 2 out of the 1000 pplz there is religious...
Where I live you say to young peeps you're religious and you get laughed at.
seeing here you guys saying you believe in god shocked me somehow.
and for the creation of universe you calling it god, it was nothing spirtual. it's all pure science and it CAN be explained, jsut not yet now. If you call the creater/tion of the universe god that's ok, but it's nothing spiritual. it's all Chemestry with atoms and stuff.
One can worship a tree and call that god; he has a religion but it's nothing spiritual.
everything is explainable, everything consists of atoms.

by Spraynwipe Sun May 18, 2008 7:46 am

LoneWolf wrote:
everything is explainable, everything consists of atoms.

What about love? Sure theres science involved, but not in true and spiritual love - that is something entirely different.

Also from your sentence I assume you also mean that God can be explained and that he is a living thing composed of atoms? If so, I have to agree with you in some respect, because he can be real in both our mind and soul Wink

by lone Sun May 18, 2008 8:53 am

LOL YES
love is pure science, it's hormones that are created in your body.
love is pure chemical and scientificaly explained

by Spraynwipe Sun May 18, 2008 9:34 am

LoneWolf wrote:LOL YES
love is pure science, it's hormones that are created in your body.
love is pure chemical and scientificaly explained

I have to agree half-half with you here, because I accept that hormones definitely play an important role.. But the aspect I'm talking about is different to the one you're on about. Im talking about love in a spiritual way - having a spiritual connection to another being.

"Kahlil Gibran defines it as "spiritual affinity". It's the hidden element of chemistry. It's when two beings meet and connect on a deeper level. It can only be felt in the heart and soul. It's about friendship, respect, humor and the feelings of warmth and contentment that come when you are in his/her presence." - from http://www.enotalone.com/article/2946.html
-This is a better explanation to what im on about.

I value what you say as well, as I did agree half half with what you said wolf Wink

So I admit that I am both wrong and right, but seriously, its not something that can be fully explained.

by lone Sun May 18, 2008 9:42 am

dude it is explained, friends, family, GF, it's all diff hormones and chem stuffs, it's all atoms and chemesty and your mind (wich is difficult chem too)

by Spraynwipe Sun May 18, 2008 9:45 am

LoneWolf wrote:dude it is explained, friends, family, GF, it's all diff hormones and chem stuffs, it's all atoms and chemesty and your mind (wich is difficult chem too)

But spiritually it is not something that can be explained by science. Someone's soul is not composed of atoms - otherwise we would be able to see it. Even thoughts and images that pop into your mind are not composed of atoms - although chemistry does like you said cause our brain to think of such things. So you can see how this all ties in to religion Razz

Also check my updated post above, I rephrased the question a little and added another question Smile

by lone Sun May 18, 2008 10:36 am

dude there is NOTHING that isn't made of atoms, the things you think in your mind (even if you think 3 diff things at the same time). a brain is jsut really complex chemistry but it's all memory and it's all based on atoms and molecules. every thing you think, feel, sense, feel with your mind, it's ALL chemestry, everything. it's just very complex.
someone's 'soul' doesn't exist, and if you mean the thoughts and feelings and stuff -ATOMS!!!

really if you feel affection to someone it's the part of your eyes to your brain or your memory to your brain ans stuff get's composed, even the lil and bog thoughts; it is all your brain and it is made out of chemical thingys; whom are composed out of atoms

by Spraynwipe Sun May 18, 2008 10:38 am

LoneWolf wrote:dude there is NOTHING that isn't made of atoms, the things you think in your mind (even if you think 3 diff things at the same time). a brain is jsut really complex chemistry but it's all memory and it's all based on atoms and molecules. every thing you think, feel, sense, feel with your mind, it's ALL chemestry, everything. it's just very complex.
someone's 'soul' doesn't exist, and if you mean the thoughts and feelings and stuff -ATOMS!!!

Well thats just a fucking stupid thing to say, because both light and space are not made up of atoms. Anything that has mass has atoms, and neither have mass.

by ***Hule*** Sun May 18, 2008 10:40 am

Abstract concepts aren't made of atoms, yet still they exist.

by **Razor** Sun May 18, 2008 10:40 am

Actually, oxygen is an atom, and it is invisible.

The spirit is atoms in my eyes, its something much greater
with more power, it is hard to explain, like a second you inside you.

by lone Sun May 18, 2008 10:41 am

space = vacuum, nothing (exept from the gasses wandering around)
light = particals (don't understand that one either but it's something scientific)

you really don't wna get it do you?

by lone Sun May 18, 2008 10:41 am

*Hule* wrote:Abstract concepts aren't made of atoms, yet still they exist.

you meen your mind? it's all chemestry

by ***Hule*** Sun May 18, 2008 10:44 am

LoneWolf wrote:
*Hule* wrote:Abstract concepts aren't made of atoms, yet still they exist.

you meen your mind? it's all chemestry

Well if you separate things that you can touch and things you can't.
Yea I know you say "Things you can't touch are material since they're in your material-atom brains."
What ever, I'm not so keen on this convo. ^^

by lone Sun May 18, 2008 10:45 am

you can touch all the things in your mind if you could dissect your brain, it's all chemicals

by Spraynwipe Sun May 18, 2008 10:47 am

LoneWolf wrote:(don't understand that one either but it's something scientific)

So you're making assumptions without actually knowing what you're talking about? I'm surprised you didn't even bother trying to google it xD

It is science that explains space (or a completely empty vacuum or void) is not made up of atoms because it has NO mass (planets and gases are excluded because they DO have mass). Also, please realise that light is made up of photons, NOT atoms, otherwise it would have mass.

by ***Hule*** Sun May 18, 2008 10:47 am

I don't think so. If you dissected your brains you would find cells and stuff. You can't touch the things your brain has created.

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